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	<description>The Alternative Voice since 1984</description>
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		<title>By: ass ed</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>ass ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BOO!  THIS ARTICLE WAS EVEN LAZIER THAN MY CRITICISM OF THIS ARTICLE~~:&quot;~!~!!`L;KJWE


step up your game!!!!!!!!!111 smok a blut!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOO!  THIS ARTICLE WAS EVEN LAZIER THAN MY CRITICISM OF THIS ARTICLE~~:&#8221;~!~!!`L;KJWE</p>
<p>step up your game!!!!!!!!!111 smok a blut!!!</p>
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		<title>By: PS</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>PS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe you put this online! Holy crap!

This is like when we couldn&#039;t get student letters and had to publish the ones about sea turtles. bad. to the above...Chuck Barry was a talk show host? You guys need to.....

panic! 
and melissa...next time you want to go to a concert, just look on artvoice.com. There are plenty of shows to see every week all over Buffalo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe you put this online! Holy crap!</p>
<p>This is like when we couldn&#8217;t get student letters and had to publish the ones about sea turtles. bad. to the above&#8230;Chuck Barry was a talk show host? You guys need to&#8230;..</p>
<p>panic!<br />
and melissa&#8230;next time you want to go to a concert, just look on artvoice.com. There are plenty of shows to see every week all over Buffalo.</p>
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		<title>By: t1x</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>t1x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, a major piece of the hip hop scene in Buffalo that&#039;s been growing for a over a decade is an album aptly titled &quot;NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND&quot;. Strange indeed that punk, jazz, hip-hop, folk and all sort of genres are left out, which would be fine, had the article not began with &quot;...survey the Buffalo underground music scene&quot;. You&#039;d need a broader brush to do that for sure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, a major piece of the hip hop scene in Buffalo that&#8217;s been growing for a over a decade is an album aptly titled &#8220;NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND&#8221;. Strange indeed that punk, jazz, hip-hop, folk and all sort of genres are left out, which would be fine, had the article not began with &#8220;&#8230;survey the Buffalo underground music scene&#8221;. You&#8217;d need a broader brush to do that for sure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: really?</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>really?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you even do any research before reporting on the &quot;scene&quot; in buffalo? jesus christ get on the internet for 5 minutes and youll find a robust cornicopia of knowledge about past and present buffalo rock, hardcore, jazz, anything else. who is this band? no one has ever heard of them! epic failz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you even do any research before reporting on the &#8220;scene&#8221; in buffalo? jesus christ get on the internet for 5 minutes and youll find a robust cornicopia of knowledge about past and present buffalo rock, hardcore, jazz, anything else. who is this band? no one has ever heard of them! epic failz</p>
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		<title>By: hmmmmm</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>hmmmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What EXACTLY is underground to you guys? i think we might be getting our definitions messed up. if you think every band who isn&#039;t signed or doesn&#039;t tour or doesn&#039;t get much overall exposure is underground then you are wrong. again this would be almost every band in buffalo and around the country. an &quot;underground&quot; movement starts and then one of two things happen. it either becomes bigger and bigger, and therefore isn&#039;t &quot;underground&quot; anymore, or it dies out because no one liked what was going on in that particular movement. the term itself can&#039;t be a constant. do you guys just move from one underground scene to another and claim to be a pro on it. like i said Buffalo has a great music scene, especially for it&#039;s size. and this includes some very good underground acts of the past. it&#039;s just that by now everything has already been underground or counterculture to a certain degree so it&#039;s very hard to replicate that. and in this particular day, while i do not claim to be an expert, just like the writer didn&#039;t, the only things i&#039;ve heard from ALL the other bands and people i hang out with is that today&#039;s Buffalo &quot;underground&quot; scene is very weak. IT MUST SAY SOMETHING IF THE WRITER, INTERVIEWEES, AND OBVIOUSLY THE EDITORS HAD NO HARD INFO ON THE WHOLE &quot;UNDERGROUND&quot; SCENE. no one is telling people and prospective students that Buffalo&#039;s music scene is bad, it&#039;s not. and you don&#039;t have to go to a house party/basement to see indie, punk, emo, or whatever. you can go to almost any bar that plays music and find any genre you want if you look around a little. i&#039;m not in any way dissing the bands involved in this type of music. they are fellow musicians and i greatly respect them. the sense of an authentic purposeful awesome &quot;underground&quot; scene in this city just isn&#039;t correct. this is not a sarcastic statement but please give me a couple specific dates, times, places, and bands to check out what is considered underground in Buffalo, because again we could just be using different definitions of the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What EXACTLY is underground to you guys? i think we might be getting our definitions messed up. if you think every band who isn&#8217;t signed or doesn&#8217;t tour or doesn&#8217;t get much overall exposure is underground then you are wrong. again this would be almost every band in buffalo and around the country. an &#8220;underground&#8221; movement starts and then one of two things happen. it either becomes bigger and bigger, and therefore isn&#8217;t &#8220;underground&#8221; anymore, or it dies out because no one liked what was going on in that particular movement. the term itself can&#8217;t be a constant. do you guys just move from one underground scene to another and claim to be a pro on it. like i said Buffalo has a great music scene, especially for it&#8217;s size. and this includes some very good underground acts of the past. it&#8217;s just that by now everything has already been underground or counterculture to a certain degree so it&#8217;s very hard to replicate that. and in this particular day, while i do not claim to be an expert, just like the writer didn&#8217;t, the only things i&#8217;ve heard from ALL the other bands and people i hang out with is that today&#8217;s Buffalo &#8220;underground&#8221; scene is very weak. IT MUST SAY SOMETHING IF THE WRITER, INTERVIEWEES, AND OBVIOUSLY THE EDITORS HAD NO HARD INFO ON THE WHOLE &#8220;UNDERGROUND&#8221; SCENE. no one is telling people and prospective students that Buffalo&#8217;s music scene is bad, it&#8217;s not. and you don&#8217;t have to go to a house party/basement to see indie, punk, emo, or whatever. you can go to almost any bar that plays music and find any genre you want if you look around a little. i&#8217;m not in any way dissing the bands involved in this type of music. they are fellow musicians and i greatly respect them. the sense of an authentic purposeful awesome &#8220;underground&#8221; scene in this city just isn&#8217;t correct. this is not a sarcastic statement but please give me a couple specific dates, times, places, and bands to check out what is considered underground in Buffalo, because again we could just be using different definitions of the term.</p>
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		<title>By: bud b. boomer</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>bud b. boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who&#039;s this chuck barry?</description>
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		<title>By: rlaforme</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>rlaforme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Underground music is when I listen to my iPod on the Metro Rail... right?</description>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, and this is an actual non-sarcastic question, but was there another page or two that was cut off during the phase of uploading this to the website? Because there is not nearly enough sources in this story to make any form of a valid statement. The reporter interviewed three people, two of which are in the same band, the third a fan of the band, and they are supposed to speak for the entire Buffalo community? What about talking to musicians that play punk rock or hip-hop, two genres that I believe have a far longer and more deeper underground history (not just in WNY, but nationally overall) than the &quot;jam band&quot; genre? Buffalo has had a long history of pumping out great punk rock music and is still doing so. The hip-hop community here is growing as well. Also why even limit it to just music? I understand the writer just wanted to do the music scene, but a better and more complete story about the &quot;underground&quot; would&#039;ve involved local artists as well. I&#039;m sure you could&#039;ve found some that represented both sides of the argument.

As soon as the interviewee said “We’re not underground, because we want to make it,” that should&#039;ve been the signal for this writer to 1) not base their entire story off this one source and 2) look for more sources to either support or contrast the statement. It just seems like either this reporter had a biased opinion right from the beginning, or simply rushed this article and did little to no research and planning. 

I really think this could&#039;ve been an interesting article if more time and effort had been put into this by the writer, as well as the editors, to realize this story is completely one-sided. I just hope the readers realize this as well and aren&#039;t duped into believing Buffalo has no underground music scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, and this is an actual non-sarcastic question, but was there another page or two that was cut off during the phase of uploading this to the website? Because there is not nearly enough sources in this story to make any form of a valid statement. The reporter interviewed three people, two of which are in the same band, the third a fan of the band, and they are supposed to speak for the entire Buffalo community? What about talking to musicians that play punk rock or hip-hop, two genres that I believe have a far longer and more deeper underground history (not just in WNY, but nationally overall) than the &#8220;jam band&#8221; genre? Buffalo has had a long history of pumping out great punk rock music and is still doing so. The hip-hop community here is growing as well. Also why even limit it to just music? I understand the writer just wanted to do the music scene, but a better and more complete story about the &#8220;underground&#8221; would&#8217;ve involved local artists as well. I&#8217;m sure you could&#8217;ve found some that represented both sides of the argument.</p>
<p>As soon as the interviewee said “We’re not underground, because we want to make it,” that should&#8217;ve been the signal for this writer to 1) not base their entire story off this one source and 2) look for more sources to either support or contrast the statement. It just seems like either this reporter had a biased opinion right from the beginning, or simply rushed this article and did little to no research and planning. </p>
<p>I really think this could&#8217;ve been an interesting article if more time and effort had been put into this by the writer, as well as the editors, to realize this story is completely one-sided. I just hope the readers realize this as well and aren&#8217;t duped into believing Buffalo has no underground music scene.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmmmm</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>hmmmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>according to urbandictionary.com Underground music is: music that is not heard on mainstream radio stations, Does not have concerts taking place in Stadiums or huge Arenas where you pay 50-80 dollars to get in, Will not be found in small(ish) chain record stores, and so on. So according to your brilliant analysis, yes, every band in Buffalo is underground. But that&#039;s not the point. I myself am in one of the &quot;jam&quot; bands of Buffalo and every musician i know is ultimately looking for popularity in their music. And so are the supposed &quot;underground&quot; bands you spoke of according to their myspace pages, in which they&#039;re trying to sell everything they can for money, i.e. selling out. For godsakes the failures union is travelllng to europe. (Not very underground). And your notion of awesome undergound being at basements and house parties is grossly overestimated. Those are the bands that can&#039;t get into bars to play. If they could, they would. My bass player actually likes the music you are talking about (punk, indie, emo, etc.) as much as he likes what we play, and says the scene sucks so much he&#039;s never be in one of those bands here. And while yes Buffalo had a fairly large underground scene at the end of the eighties and throughout the nineties, knowmatic tribe soundsystem comes to mind, that was a decade ago. Today Buffalo has an awesome OVERALL music scene and i think this was a very well written article about one in particular. shame on you michelle in your flatout nastiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>according to urbandictionary.com Underground music is: music that is not heard on mainstream radio stations, Does not have concerts taking place in Stadiums or huge Arenas where you pay 50-80 dollars to get in, Will not be found in small(ish) chain record stores, and so on. So according to your brilliant analysis, yes, every band in Buffalo is underground. But that&#8217;s not the point. I myself am in one of the &#8220;jam&#8221; bands of Buffalo and every musician i know is ultimately looking for popularity in their music. And so are the supposed &#8220;underground&#8221; bands you spoke of according to their myspace pages, in which they&#8217;re trying to sell everything they can for money, i.e. selling out. For godsakes the failures union is travelllng to europe. (Not very underground). And your notion of awesome undergound being at basements and house parties is grossly overestimated. Those are the bands that can&#8217;t get into bars to play. If they could, they would. My bass player actually likes the music you are talking about (punk, indie, emo, etc.) as much as he likes what we play, and says the scene sucks so much he&#8217;s never be in one of those bands here. And while yes Buffalo had a fairly large underground scene at the end of the eighties and throughout the nineties, knowmatic tribe soundsystem comes to mind, that was a decade ago. Today Buffalo has an awesome OVERALL music scene and i think this was a very well written article about one in particular. shame on you michelle in your flatout nastiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
		<link>http://ubgeneration.com/?p=398&#038;cpage=1#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is as if this person had never even picked up an old version to see the scene reports in them. There were articles on local groups and shows every week, but now there is no underground? And the conclusion of the &quot;alternative voice&quot; is that there is no such thing as alternative. What a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is as if this person had never even picked up an old version to see the scene reports in them. There were articles on local groups and shows every week, but now there is no underground? And the conclusion of the &#8220;alternative voice&#8221; is that there is no such thing as alternative. What a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: jcm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hah this is a funny joke.</description>
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		<title>By: bud b. boomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>bud b. boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is insane.  whether or not buffalo has a good underground music scene is certainly a debatable, but it definately exists, and it&#039;s clear that you put no real effort into finding it.  it&#039;s very disappointing that the thousands of out-of-town students will have the idea that buffalo is such a lame city that it has no underground music scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is insane.  whether or not buffalo has a good underground music scene is certainly a debatable, but it definately exists, and it&#8217;s clear that you put no real effort into finding it.  it&#8217;s very disappointing that the thousands of out-of-town students will have the idea that buffalo is such a lame city that it has no underground music scene.</p>
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